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Subject Damn Mike...Don't get your panties in a wad--->
     
Posted by Kyle(Houston) on December 12, 2002 at 5:45 PM
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In Reply To My response to Kyle (SGP) bagging on my posted by MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) on December 12, 2002 at 12:27 PM
     
Message Yes I did Email you to find out the price before you posted it in the for sale section. Once I found out the price you never got an Email back correct :-). I just personally think that the $1150 price for 5 or more people that you posted here was and is way over priced for what you were/are offering. When you first posted the price I did not say anything because I thought maybe your machinest was making a completely new holder for the pumps and gauge sensor. Kinda like these that we are doing for John's Integra.


A new custom ring was made and welded onto the fuel tank


Has hard line outputs for 2 intank pumps and one external pump for the N20 system.


A whole new top was made with a bracket to hold the pumps down at the proper angle and level

Now that is what I expected for $1150. Not two $100 pumps, some brass fittings, and a small bracket made to mount the pumps to the stock bracket already there. I have already done a complete bolt on twin pump set up on a couple of cars that will be ready for sale after the first of the year after they are dyno tested. Now I am not saying your setup is not a decent setup or anything like that. I am just saying that it is no where near a $1150 setup.

Now to answer a few of your questions.

1. We never produced the $600 Radiator because we did not like the price point that C&R and Fluidyne wanted for them.

2. Our hard pipes that we sold for $450 with choice of color for the connectors was priced well within the $330ish price of the HKS kit with no choice of color for the connectors and a welded aluminum pipe instead of the polished stainless steel pipes that we had. Most people understood the $120 price difference for the quality....Even HKS because they changed their kit :-).

3. Up until a year or so ago there was no need for dual pumps because no one had pushed the stock pump over the limit. Yacoub's car that put down 630 Rwhp is the only car besides mine that has even gone beyond what a stock pump can put out. Just look at this chart from Chip's site:


You can see at 25 Psi or 68 Psi of fuel pressure that the stock pump will put out 750ish crank Hp or 635 Rwhp with a 15% loss.

So unless I am missing something Yacoub and TTpete(Who both dynoed over a year ago) are the only ones that have come close to maxing out the stock pump to this day.

Now I personally did an external pump on my car back in 2000 and produced over 700 Rwhp at the time so yes even back in 2000 I knew I had to replace the stock pump to keep going faster on the track. But I have not had another Z come close to maxing out the stock pump since then except for Yacoub. So their was no need to develop a twin pump setup. Now step forward 2 years and even now probably only 2% of the Z's that are "Being built" will need anything larger then the stock pump. So can I or will I produce a twin pump setup....Yes I already have. Do I think it will sell anytime soon?...Nope...that is why you have not seen it yet :-). But when you do it will be *<$1150 :-)


Kyle "Grumpy Bear" Puckett
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